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Carmen:

I'll confirm what people said about lag, I've never had a good-quality match on GGPO or 2DF with anyone in PRC yet, so many that its hard to say its coincidental.

 

 Carmen, ju shatap oughkay?

arstal:

The flags need to be kept for that reason.  I know with KOF, I get a lot of racial shit on GGPO- people don't like Americans playing KOF sometimes.  It just motivates me to learn a more annoying style, and try to annoy them into giving up while losing constantly.

 

what the fuck why would people have a problem with an american playing KOF? mindboggling

 

I just played this one dude named Shadow93. I wasnt' doing all that great, but he wasn't either. After I lost, he left after saying "goodbye noob". Lol, nice sportsmanship, right? Don't play this guy.

I feel like replying to the majority of this thread... Take this as it sounds, although I do mean no disrespect to group of users mentioned within. I do, however, mean to disrespect individual people, and make no mistake about this. If you don't feel like reading a longish post, just skip over this one. :p

SN3S:

Everyone needs to go read Sirlin's "Playing To Win"; that is all.

However, the worst sportsmanship I've seen yet is people saying that it lags too much. It might, but maybe they're hiding something, cause I never lag, not bad enough to hamper my play phenominally.

However, I'm a pretty bad sport in the fact that I downplay myself a lot XD I often comment more on my mistakes than the other person's strengths...

A great learning resource for old and young... However, playing online is a wee bit different from offline, even though the concepts are the same. Offline, you'll be less likely to get a "dropper", for example, since people won't get quite so angry in person. Lag is a minor issue... If I can feel lag at the start of the match, or if I ever feel it, at all, I announce it as such, loud and clear. Really, the easiest way to check for noticeable lag, is on the character select screen and while coining. If you repeatedly drop inputs, you may have some lag problems...

Also, I do the same thing with my mistakes, even on rounds that I win. It's absolutely great to receive comments like "If you fuck up so much, why the hell am I losing?". It's even more fun (and also annoying, at the same time) when they drop because of such.

Emil:

Timothy Leary:

[12:54:32 AM] Emil: retarded south americans, this is why no one takes you guys seroiusly

That was in response to his actions and was said near the end of the whole conversation. I'm sick of delusional people like this guy, and clearly they make their country look bad and it's one of the reasons why them and other countries like Mexico, Peru, etc aren't taken that seriously in kof.

Generalization aside, idiocy is world wide. However, some groups just tend to show it a little bit more. Many (many) of the Brazilian players I meet on the Internet can hardly, if at all, use English. On Zbattle and Kaillera, this is considerably worse, since they can't type in English, yet can swear and curse you out fluently.

Now, while I have seen my share of respectable people from South America, I have a very low opinion of the groups of them that seem to form online. A lot of players seem very new to games (EX: Repeated button mashing, random supers, constant jumping, etc) and are irritable when they lose, possibly due to this. Maybe some of your better players should teach the weaker ones how to play a little bit better in "close" non-laggy situations.

One person I played at COTA, was lagging so badly that I could hardly combo, although I chose not to mention it... When I declared the next match to be the last, won, and left, I was insulted repeatedly in the chat. I then played him again (in the same accursed lag, because he had claimed that I was scared, and that he was better) won several matches, and dropped abruptly, only to receive the same thing. Likewise, I've seen people from Brazil who are vastly superior to myself, in both game and literary usage.

To be honest, I wish the majority of users in South America were either better, or better at knowing when to stop. I've seen some really dumb stuff in my time, and most of it is due to a lack of ability to draw the line. For example, I'm not crazy enough to go challenge Emil to KoF, or Kyokuji (although I have in the past) to Last Blade 2, even though we're all in Canada. The same can be said about satiric comments and insults... I stop at the line where it isn't funny anymore. When you see little practitioning of these skills from other countries so frequently, the opinion of the entire group slowly degrades, not just an opinion of the single person.

If you're in Brazil, Peru, or wherever... Kick your fellow citizens in their sensitive parts if they start making a mockery of your entire country, and annoying everybody around. I insult my own country on a regular basis, because to do so about Canada, is funny. When people start insulting the USA, talking crap like how "osama was a hero", that is NOT funny, nor is it alright. I don't find it funny that a bunch of people in a truck came and shot up everybody in your neighborhood, either. This sort of thing, is exactly what justifies Emil's "retarded south americans, this is why no one takes you guys seroiusly" comment.

Timothy Leary:

We all have freedom of speech, it doesnt matter how deeply words can disturb you, they are only that; words! Words from a complete stranger from the other side of the world. Here at 2DF we all have the option to ignore whoever we want with just a click.

We are on the Internet, and you are on 2DF. While 2DF currently has no apparently shown Terms of Service, you, all that you say, and all that you do, is allowed at Damdai's (or any respective moderators, if there are any) discretion. It is a common misconception that you have freedom on the Internet, while in reality, you do not. Legal restrictions are put on you left and right, in addition to more minor rules. If something is bad enough to be removed, it will, regardless of your silly freedom; this is more of a dictatorship, than a democracy, anyway. (I hope this starts some type of discussion... <3)

Emil:

Anyway, it's a waste of time replying to you anymore as it's clear you're just another deluded shit talker and this is one of the reasons that I tend to avoid south american and mexican players more and more. Yes, one person doesn't make the whole group bad but I've already met far too many people similar to you from people I've played in my experience (or met).

They say one bad apple spoils the bunch... They also say an apple doesn't fall far from the tree. While I would like to say otherwise, I can't say that I've seen many a "shit talker" who were as good at certain games as some of the more respectable players. Now, psychonauts, on the other hand, I have seen be rather good...

NiGhTmArE:

Yeah the same we brazilians can say about u US guys... I play ppl from Peru, Mexico, Argentina, even in Europe (France, UK) and it lags less than the majority of US ppl. So I could say "US guys are lagged" but I already played ppl from there with good conenction so thats why I dont like to generalize an entire country. Also yesterday I played a dude of my country and it lagged more than with Peru for example. It really depends on each person, not their countries.


As I used to say, blame their ISPs, not their countries Stick out tongue.

The ISPs themselves wouldn't be what I'd blame. The prices however, I would. I've heard tell that some ISPs down there charge upwards of $50 for a 2mbps connection. I've also heard tell, that many jobs down in South America pay relatively badly, making such luxuries as television and Internet unreasonable.

While that kind of connection will get the job done, it certainly will not do very well with intercontinental play conditions. Up in the US and Canada, you can get a 10mbps connection dirt cheap. Although going higher is expensive, many do it anyway. The same can be also said about the UK, although, a great many of their ISPs restrict peer to peer traffic on common ports.

If I recall, some of South America even has access to fibre grade connections, whereas, Canada, has little to no access to this. However, if you'll be saying "blame their ISPs", you should also be saying "blame their standard of living and connection choices". Blaming somebody else's ISP, is simply dumbassery, considering that they provide what the person has asked for.

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@Emil:
Why do people like to choose you, to poke at so constantly? I personally think you make rather good points in many situations...

 

Freedom, regardless of the type and as long as you dont affect third persons, should be found not only on the internet but on every place on the planet. Its more than a right, its our nature.

Judging will lead us nowhere. You can bitch around all day about one person, one country, one race or culture and it  will not make a difference at all. Some wasted time there.

Tolerate. Let them be. Its not like they are puking on your breakfast or pissing in your head.

At the end you are also talking shit about the ones that talked shit to you. Overall its pretty much the same, on a close view you are not much different from the ones you are talking about.

No one is good enough to judge that way.

 

 

192.168.0.1:

@Emil:
Why do people like to choose you, to poke at so constantly? I personally think you make rather good points in many situations...

 

 

Because Emil hate dates back to SRK old days and also alot of people misunderstand Emil. I just find some of the stuff the opposition says funny sometimes. But I have nothing against him personally.

Another BG for Shelly, he dropped to avoid a loss for ranking purposes.

192.168.0.1:

The ISPs themselves wouldn't be what I'd blame. The prices however, I would. I've heard tell that some ISPs down there charge upwards of $50 for a 2mbps connection. I've also heard tell, that many jobs down in South America pay relatively badly, making such luxuries as television and Internet unreasonable.

While that kind of connection will get the job done, it certainly will not do very well with intercontinental play conditions. Up in the US and Canada, you can get a 10mbps connection dirt cheap. Although going higher is expensive, many do it anyway. The same can be also said about the UK, although, a great many of their ISPs restrict peer to peer traffic on common ports.

If I recall, some of South America even has access to fibre grade connections, whereas, Canada, has little to no access to this. However, if you'll be saying "blame their ISPs", you should also be saying "blame their standard of living and connection choices". Blaming somebody else's ISP, is simply dumbassery, considering that they provide what the person has asked for.

I dont know about other countries, but here in Brazil a 4mbs connection is like $40 US dollars so I dont think they are too expensive nowadays (in the past, yes).

 

And many ppl cant choose what connection they get. Like in my state, there are only 2 broadband companies providing service, and one of them is horrible for online gaming, so I use the other one, wich isn't that great too. In some cities theres even none broadband services available, they are using 56k dial-up!

But as I said, a mere 128/128 connection is enough to play most online applications pretty fine, what matters are their quality. That's why I said blame their ISP's =P

 

192.168.0.1:

@Emil:
Why do people like to choose you, to poke at so constantly? I personally think you make rather good points in many situations...

 

Because I tell people things they don't like to hear (and yes this is Emil, can't use my original account at work).

C'mon guys. This thing of "drop to avoid ranking fall" has been since Starcraft times. It's a hole in the system we must got use to it. Looks like you're novice in this online ranking thing.

And someone has said something about "such luxuries as tv or internet" Don't go to far please. They're not people like living on trees or in the streets (most of them). And if that were the case, it's another subject, too far for "online playing"

Most of us can't have a better internet conn because the damn ISP don't offer them, like my case. I've been sticked to this 1mb comm ince two years because my stupid and ass**** ISP doesn't offer a better connection.

"there's no market for more" C'mon...

My recomendation for you guys, if you have a game and after that the other player starts to say bullshit, or even during the game, simple drop and ignore him. Why do you have to start a novel?

Hehe! An aclaration, this thread started in a exact case I mention. But that one is funny, not even close to some of we can found here in this thread. I mean, getting so serious.

 

Remember folks, actions speak louder than words.

If you win and your opponent talks shit, then you still win.

If you lose and your opponent talks shit, then maybe he/she isn't talking shit.

If you feel harrassed, ignore him/her. The worst that can happen is the player hires a hack, figures out your ip address, and from that figures out where you live(if that's even possible), then hurts you as such. Otherwise... is it even that serious?

KRoyal:

And someone has said something about "such luxuries as tv or internet" Don't go to far please. They're not people like living on trees or in the streets (most of them). And if that were the case, it's another subject, too far for "online playing"

Definitions of luxury on the Web:

something that is an indulgence rather than a necessity

lavishness: the quality possessed by something that is excessively expensive

wealth as evidenced by sumptuous living
 http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=luxury
 
 
Access to the Internet, or the ability to view television programming, are luxuries, even if the "web" could have better definitions. You are not excessively poor, and are using an expensive service as such. It is, was, and forever will be within bound of that comment. Although, I may have exaggerated a minuscule amount when I said it may be unreasonable.
 

KRoyal:

My recomendation for you guys, if you have a game and after that the other player starts to say bullshit, or even during the game, simple drop and ignore him. Why do you have to start a novel?

 
Why would I start a novel? Well, first off, I don't believe anybody has. A novel is a printed and extended work of fiction. My written work above is not extended, nor fictional--however--I may be willing to call it ignorant, or simply naive, considering that the amount of research put into that post was roughly ten minutes. An essay, however, would be a different story to be told entirely.

In regard to simply dropping and ignoring the user; "An eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind", to say it rather unimaginatively. Equal punishment, for equal loss; The ability to communicate for the grievous misuse of communication... There are several "shit talkers" that I would have considerably less entertainment without. For example, one such person used to constantly curse at me on a game for beating him, or losing to him, in lag, while there was none. Now, I kept playing this person, over months and eventually, he stopped doing so. I suppose we're now "gaming buddies" as we still play from time to time, but on far better terms.

Now, I don't believe "shit talking" to be bad, or even really rather annoying. I do believe, however, that it does show you a small portion of the world that the person lives within. The real source of issues that I believe complaints arise from, is just the pure idiocy and simple lack of common sense that is shown by many of them. I mean... If some Russian users ran into a World War reunion of veteran soldiers, dressed in the Nazi colors, saying that they abused cheap tactics to win, would you not call them moronic? In context of fighting games, am I not to call an inferior user moronic for saying that my character and combo choices are "lag tactics"?

The only way to deal with users who abuse "bullshit", is to either ignore them entirely, or to make it rather apparent that they are in need of improvement. The former, being inferior to the latter. Dropping from a game, only to ignore them, could almost be seen as them overcoming you. Their superior choice of words, has drained you of the will to resist them any longer, resulting in you leaving, after all. While there are times when enough IS in fact enough, I don't see many people taking the initiative against it. If this truly were a problem, there would be moderators running around and warning people on 2DF, correct?

KRoyal:

This thing of "drop to avoid ranking fall" has been since Starcraft times. It's a hole in the system we must got use to it. Looks like you're novice in this online ranking thing.

W543/L211/D41 were roughly my old Starcraft statistics. I was a Zerg player, mostly winning with rush tactics and Mutalisk spam, and for that, I've seen my fair share of drops and accusations. The real problem with rankings on battle.net, was simply the amazing quantities of cheating players to be seen, and not said droppers. Although, I wonder if I still have that account... It's been a long, long time. Never the less, I'm sure we're all nubcaeks when it comes to rankings, and should hide in our shells.

I agree with you on that one. However what i also hate is when somebody beats you ONCE and they get all big headed and stuff and then drop. Seriously people have to give others more then one chance to win. People who do stuff like that are the true scrubs.

A user called yinsh after one match said "worthless n-word".  Avoid this person please.

DIMMU SAKURABA:

A user called yinsh after one match said "worthless n-word".  Avoid this person please.

Just curious, where was he from?